Apparently, hard truths are hard to swallow. Lisa Baker, a member of Australia’s Parliament, caught serious hell when, in a recent speech before her fellow MPs, she pointed a figurative finger at “meat-eating men” and blamed them for the climate catastrophe. She’s right, but her indictment didn’t go far enough.

They’ve been called “despair tests,” and PETA researcher Jeremy Beckham explains why PETA is working to end cruel near-drowning experiments in the latest episode of The PETA Podcast.